1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:05,940 And we'll get going with the session. 2 00:00:10,130 --> 00:00:13,130 So we are here to talk about the ins and outs of publishing 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,160 these. As I said, my name is Kristin Hoffman, I'm a research 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,640 and scholarly communication librarian here. My email is 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,090 there on the slide. And feel free to contact me anytime after 6 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:24,620 the session with questions as well. 7 00:00:27,030 --> 00:00:29,940 So we're talking about this topic, because one of the most 8 00:00:29,940 --> 00:00:33,450 common questions that we get about open access is that aren't 9 00:00:33,450 --> 00:00:37,770 there costs to publish open access? And the answer is 10 00:00:38,610 --> 00:00:42,030 sometimes, yes. And so that's what we're going to talk about 11 00:00:42,030 --> 00:00:47,700 today. And so just to more flesh out that answer of sometimes, 12 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:51,810 we're going to cover these topics. What are publishing 13 00:00:51,810 --> 00:00:56,490 fees? What kind of journals asked for fees? Why are their 14 00:00:56,490 --> 00:01:00,810 fees? How much are they? I think this is probably one of your key 15 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:03,810 questions here. What are your options for paying those fees? 16 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:08,280 And then can you publish without paying a fee? Spoiler alert! The 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,770 answer is yes. But you'll have to wait till the end of the 18 00:01:10,770 --> 00:01:12,840 session to hear more about how that works. 19 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,300 Because open access journals arose with the advent of the 20 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:34,640 Internet. They're a little newer than journals that have been 21 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:37,910 around for 100 plus years, and so it can be easier for authors 22 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:41,480 to get a foot in the door. Open Access can also allow you as an 23 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,800 author to maintain copyright and control over your work can 24 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,070 reduce inequalities and inequities around the world in 25 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:53,540 terms of access to research. Also related to that closely is 26 00:03:53,540 --> 00:03:56,360 that it resists the profit motive in scholarly publishing, 27 00:03:56,750 --> 00:03:59,450 by putting academics in charge of scholarly publishing and 28 00:03:59,450 --> 00:04:01,430 reducing that fee barrier for access. 29 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,510 There are funder requirements now for the agencies, the NIH, 30 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:10,710 for several other large granting agencies that work that they 31 00:04:10,710 --> 00:04:15,240 fund must be available open access. But really open access 32 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,610 makes your work more visible. And that's the bottom line of 33 00:04:17,610 --> 00:04:20,340 why it's important for many researchers, more people will be 34 00:04:20,340 --> 00:04:25,050 able to read and find their work. And we're going to talk 35 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:28,890 about two main ways that you can make your work openly available 36 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,800 a journal route that icon you see on the left and then an 37 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:37,020 individual article route. That icon you see on the right APCs 38 00:04:37,020 --> 00:04:42,900 can come up in either case. So we'll talk about how it just to 39 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:44,790 give you a sense of that lay of the land. 40 00:04:47,910 --> 00:04:51,660 So let's start first with the route of open access through a 41 00:04:51,660 --> 00:04:55,290 journal. And there are two kind of types of journals that we're 42 00:04:55,290 --> 00:04:59,580 going to talk about a subscription access journal and 43 00:05:00,030 --> 00:05:03,510 open access journals. So subscription access journals 44 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:07,680 don't provide open access as a journal. But there are ways to 45 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,890 make individual articles open access. And so we'll get to that 46 00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:14,250 in a moment. subscription journals get the money for their 47 00:05:14,250 --> 00:05:18,960 operations from subscriptions. open access journals still 48 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:21,510 require money for their operations, but they don't get 49 00:05:21,510 --> 00:05:27,270 that money from subscriptions. So they're free to read. So one 50 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:31,830 way that open access journals get money for their operations 51 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:35,850 is through article processing charges. These are fees that the 52 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:40,920 author pays before their work is published in the journal. But 53 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,340 there are many, in fact, most open access journals do not 54 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:47,730 charge APCs. And those journals are getting the money for from 55 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:48,090 their, 56 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:53,700 for their operations from places like grants agencies, from 57 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:57,990 support that they might get from scholarly societies. Many of 58 00:05:57,990 --> 00:06:01,740 them will rely on volunteer labor from academics. And 59 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:04,890 libraries can also provide money that supports those open access 60 00:06:04,890 --> 00:06:05,280 journals. 61 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:50,340 We've seen this come up. As publishers, especially for 62 00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:54,810 profit publishers have kind of co- opted the open access system 63 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,140 to realize that they have another revenue stream not just 64 00:06:58,140 --> 00:07:00,930 subscriptions, they can also start charging authors fees. 65 00:08:16,030 --> 00:08:19,750 (I have a very sensitive mouse.) 66 00:08:24,210 --> 00:08:28,050 The type in the chat or feel free to unmute yourself and ask 67 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:52,500 a question. Alright, we're not seeing any questions. We're 68 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:55,110 gonna move on. Oh, wait, that one. 69 00:08:57,990 --> 00:09:00,330 Kristin, there is a question in the chat. I'm not sure if you're 70 00:09:00,330 --> 00:09:04,980 seeing it, but I can read it. Could you elaborate on how open 71 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:08,550 access improves copyright control by the authors? 72 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:15,410 Yeah, that's a really good question. So traditionally, 73 00:09:15,740 --> 00:09:18,650 subscription access journals while they charge subscription 74 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,790 to readers to access the content. Most of them also 75 00:09:22,790 --> 00:09:25,610 require that authors who are publishing with them transfer 76 00:09:25,610 --> 00:09:31,100 copyright to the publisher and the journal. Yeah, in the 77 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:36,080 journal. And so there's a there's a kind of barrier that 78 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,930 those publishers are putting around who can access the 79 00:09:38,930 --> 00:09:42,320 content, but also, they're trying to keep control of the 80 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,540 content as the publisher, when open access journals emerged, it 81 00:09:47,540 --> 00:09:53,240 was an in the spirit of kind of trying to open and democratize 82 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,470 scholarly publishing. And so those journals almost always 83 00:09:57,470 --> 00:10:01,070 adopt Creative Commons licenses, and they Allow the author to 84 00:10:01,070 --> 00:10:05,060 keep the copyright. So the author maintains control of 85 00:10:05,060 --> 00:10:09,830 their publication and has more right to choose who can reuse 86 00:10:09,830 --> 00:10:13,520 it, what conditions they can do that, whereas its subscription 87 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:19,400 access journals, the publisher keeps that right. We see this 88 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,880 too, with the hybrid journals where individual articles can be 89 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,260 made openly available that the publishers of those journals 90 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:31,790 will allow authors who have paid the open access fee to also keep 91 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:36,650 copyright of their work. So it's that hybrid is a mix in terms of 92 00:10:36,650 --> 00:10:40,250 open access and closed access. But it's also a mix in terms of 93 00:10:40,250 --> 00:10:55,580 the copyright restrictions. Does that help? Great. Okay. Any 94 00:10:55,580 --> 00:11:02,480 other questions? All right, if questions come up to you that 95 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,660 relate to this first section, we'll have other opportunities 96 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:14,030 to ask them. So keep them in mind. And then move on now. To 97 00:11:14,030 --> 00:11:18,710 talk about fees. Oh, before we do just a little clarification, 98 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:21,920 again, about differences between open access journals and 99 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,010 subscription access journals. And this touches again, on what 100 00:11:25,010 --> 00:11:27,950 I was just explaining about copyright. So there's really 101 00:11:27,950 --> 00:11:32,510 three areas where these two types of journals differ, access 102 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:36,530 the copyright and the licensing and the cost to publish anything 103 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:40,370 else there is no difference just by being virtue of virtue of 104 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:43,520 being an own a journal, or a subscription journal. Those are 105 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,880 journal by journal considerations that they time to 106 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,140 publish or the submission guidelines or the focus and 107 00:11:51,140 --> 00:11:54,950 scope of the journal. Those can vary between open access 108 00:11:54,950 --> 00:11:57,320 journals, and they can vary widely between subscription 109 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,590 access journals. But the access is fundamentally different 110 00:12:00,590 --> 00:12:03,560 between the two were open access journals are free to read and 111 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:06,920 open to anyone. And subscription access journals are restricted 112 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,880 to those who have a subscription to read, usually not because of 113 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,700 an individual subscription because they're affiliated with 114 00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:18,290 a university or research institute that has access. open 115 00:12:18,290 --> 00:12:21,320 access journals usually allow the authors to keep copyright, 116 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:24,740 whereas subscription access journals usually ask the author 117 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:28,850 to give their copyright to the journal. And open access 118 00:12:28,850 --> 00:12:32,300 journals may charge a fee. subscription access journals 119 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,780 don't charge a fee to the author unless the author wants to pay 120 00:12:35,780 --> 00:12:39,560 to make their article open. Okay, now we're going to talk 121 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:47,150 more about fees. And how much are they varies a lot from less 122 00:12:47,150 --> 00:12:53,690 than $200, to $5,000, or more. And these are, fees are usually 123 00:12:53,690 --> 00:12:57,140 given in US dollars, because many publishers are based in the 124 00:12:57,140 --> 00:13:05,090 US but they can also be in pounds, or euros to 200 to 5000 125 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:12,410 US dollars, you can pretty much add to the end of that. Also, 126 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:19,310 the APCs show you this part here of different publishers and the 127 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:22,010 APC is that they charge and if you look at the column on the 128 00:13:22,010 --> 00:13:26,150 right hand side, you can see if the publisher is fully open 129 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:29,840 access, meaning all their titles are open access, or if they're a 130 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,800 hybrid publisher. So it's the individual article route there. 131 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:40,250 And if you look down at the second to the right column, the 132 00:13:40,490 --> 00:13:45,590 upper limit for APCs, they're pretty consistently the hybrid 133 00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:50,540 publishers have higher APCs than the fully open access 134 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:56,780 publishers. In some cases, those publishers have a low, lower 135 00:13:56,780 --> 00:14:04,910 lower limit. The upper limit is really high. I do want to 136 00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:10,310 emphasize here that again, most open access journals do not 137 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:11,540 charge these fees. 138 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:19,670 72% roughly these days of open access journals do not charge 139 00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:24,800 article processing charges. So that's about 11,000 open access 140 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:32,510 journals that don't out of a total of around 1600. And to 141 00:14:32,510 --> 00:14:36,170 bring this a little closer to home, one of my colleagues 142 00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:42,740 calculated that probably westerns researchers spent over 143 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:49,280 $125,000 in one year in 2019, on a PC is to one publisher, 144 00:14:49,790 --> 00:14:56,300 Elsevier, and to I mean, so in one hand 125,000 isn't a whole 145 00:14:56,300 --> 00:14:59,570 lot to pay, but on the other hand, that's to one publisher. 146 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:04,370 in one year, and then that same year, Western Library's paid two 147 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:07,850 and a half million dollars in subscriptions to Elsevier 148 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,580 journals. So when we're already paying them two and a half 149 00:15:10,580 --> 00:15:14,570 million dollars to access their journals, why do researchers at 150 00:15:14,570 --> 00:15:18,980 Western need to pay another anything to publish in those 151 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:22,130 journals, there's a kind of mismatch that isn't sitting well 152 00:15:22,130 --> 00:15:29,180 with a lot of people. We'll come back and talk about that a 153 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:34,220 little bit more, I think. But I did mention before that fully 154 00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:38,420 open access journals, these fees are the way that they get the 155 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:42,590 money to fund their operations. And this chart kind of nicely 156 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:46,940 shows what those operations involves. So this is from 157 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:50,930 ubiquity press, which is a fully open access publisher. And 158 00:15:50,930 --> 00:15:55,220 they're sharing here, a rough breakdown of what their costs go 159 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:59,540 to. So they have indirect costs to support journals, support the 160 00:15:59,540 --> 00:16:03,590 platform, advocate and promote open access and then maintain 161 00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:09,050 their business. There's direct costs with publishing journals. 162 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:12,350 So the editorial assistants and production costs are part of 163 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:17,690 that fee. They also build in a waiver premium. So they know 164 00:16:17,690 --> 00:16:20,660 that not everyone is able to pay the fees that they set, and they 165 00:16:20,660 --> 00:16:23,300 will waive fees for a certain number of people or people who 166 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:26,630 meet certain criteria, that they build that into the cost that 167 00:16:26,630 --> 00:16:32,390 others are paying when they're able to pay their DIY costs. So 168 00:16:32,390 --> 00:16:36,590 that's to produce the digital object identifier that's related 169 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:40,490 to promotion indexing of the journal. And then there's some 170 00:16:40,490 --> 00:16:43,790 administrative fees just associated with receiving fees 171 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:50,930 and distributing them. One of the other big questions related 172 00:16:50,930 --> 00:16:53,150 to fees. And this may be the question that all of you are 173 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:56,240 here with is where do authors find the money for the fees? 174 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,490 There's a few different sources here. Sometimes these are built 175 00:17:01,490 --> 00:17:04,820 into grant applications. And so there may be grant funding 176 00:17:04,850 --> 00:17:09,140 available specifically for the fees. As I just alluded to, 177 00:17:09,140 --> 00:17:15,740 publishers do often give waivers often the waivers are focused on 178 00:17:15,830 --> 00:17:20,720 authors from specific countries in specific parts of the world 179 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,710 where they know that research funding is not as robust. But 180 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,650 grad students and grad students at Western have also been able 181 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:32,990 to get waivers from publishers. Universities may take out 182 00:17:32,990 --> 00:17:35,720 institutional memberships with publishers that provide 183 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,040 discounts for for waivers on fees, and we'll talk about 184 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,010 what's available to you as Western researchers in that 185 00:17:43,010 --> 00:17:47,510 respect. Some universities may have library open access funds, 186 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:51,800 and publishers may ask if you have a library fund available, 187 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,500 it's important for you to know that we don't do that at 188 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:57,620 Western, and I'll explain more about why we don't and how we 189 00:17:57,620 --> 00:18:01,460 direct our money to support open access publishing at Western. 190 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:04,850 And then sometimes, if there's no other funding source 191 00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:09,620 available, researchers may have to pay out of pocket. I want to 192 00:18:09,620 --> 00:18:18,200 add, just ask a poll at this point to see if any of you have 193 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,850 you paid fees and where your fees might have come from if you 194 00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:29,780 have. So there's two questions here If you or someone you work 195 00:18:29,780 --> 00:18:33,200 with has paid an APC to publish a paper and then if so how are 196 00:18:33,200 --> 00:19:17,750 those fees? give another second or two for others to vote. All 197 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:22,100 right now and the poll so we can see that. About half of you 198 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:28,160 attending have paid a fee. Some of you haven't, and some of you 199 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,520 aren't sure, which is very understandable. And of those who 200 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:39,380 paid many of you built that cost into a grant, which is a very 201 00:19:39,380 --> 00:19:45,560 common approach or not sure. Do we have any responses in the 202 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:51,500 chat? faculty provide a grant for grad students which was not 203 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:58,250 intentionally built into the funding. plan to add this into 204 00:19:58,250 --> 00:20:03,470 future grant proposals. Good. Yeah, 205 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,739 there's a comment here. That is just related to your previous 206 00:20:07,769 --> 00:20:14,549 point about hybrid publishers charging an extra APC. But it 207 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:18,029 does say, Western isn't accessible outside of Western. 208 00:20:18,029 --> 00:20:20,909 So scholars pay for broader access. I just didn't know if 209 00:20:20,909 --> 00:20:24,179 you wanted to address that piece, I know you're going to be 210 00:20:24,179 --> 00:20:26,639 talking about options for not paying those fees. 211 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,790 Yeah, no, that's a really good point. So, yes, we pay a lot of 212 00:20:31,790 --> 00:20:36,170 money for subscriptions. And it may seem unreasonable to pay 213 00:20:36,170 --> 00:20:39,530 additional money to those same publishers for open access fees. 214 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:43,700 But there is a purpose there and that those additional fees are 215 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:47,270 paying for broader access. So I do see that point. And it's a, 216 00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:52,220 it's a good reminder that there is a value in making things open 217 00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:55,190 access, and maybe that value comes with the dollar amount. 218 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,870 What we're trying to do more of in western libraries is get 219 00:20:59,870 --> 00:21:02,510 those costs kind of bundled together. So that when we're 220 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:06,380 also paying for the subscription for Western researchers to be 221 00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:10,310 able to read subscription access journals, we're also kind of 222 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:15,560 building in some costs, to reduce the fees for researchers 223 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,610 at Western to publish openly. And I'm going to show you what 224 00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:23,480 some of that looks like in a few slides here. Oh, it may be in 225 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:36,830 the next slide. stop sharing the poll results. So yeah, our next 226 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:41,810 slide, and Courtney will put a link to this web page in the 227 00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:46,400 chat. So we have a web page where we outline all of the 228 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,360 memberships that provide discounts for APC. And this is 229 00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:54,770 almost all of the list of discounts. There are other 230 00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:57,410 memberships that are on this page also, but they don't give 231 00:21:57,410 --> 00:22:00,560 discounts for the theme. So you can see there are a lot of 232 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:06,200 publishers here. It's major publishers that are now giving 233 00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:10,640 discounts on the APCs for authors affiliated with Western. 234 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:16,520 Some of them are percentage discounts. Some of them now are 235 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,350 full discount. So one of the recently negotiated deals was 236 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:24,530 with Sage publishing towards the bottom of the page there, there 237 00:22:24,530 --> 00:22:28,790 are now no fees at all for any authors affiliated with Western, 238 00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:34,970 for most about 900 Sage journals. So any of the hybrid 239 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,520 Sage journals have no APCs for any of their journal Sage 240 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,060 journals, and it's really just a handful or two that are entirely 241 00:22:44,060 --> 00:22:50,150 funded by APCs, we have a 40% discount classes and other ones. 242 00:22:50,150 --> 00:22:53,960 So PLOS biology or PLOS medicine for those of you who are in 243 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,970 health fields or biology, no AP fees to publish in either of 244 00:22:58,970 --> 00:23:05,630 those two titles, and 25% discount. Sorry, no fee for 245 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:09,350 corresponding authors and 25% discount for contributing 246 00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:13,340 authors. And then you can see some of the other major 247 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:16,430 publishers there. So Cambridge University Press, Elsevier, 248 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:19,880 Taylor, and Francis, there are percentage discounts on those 249 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,950 bees. This is an important page to go back to, as you're 250 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:27,710 considering journals to publish in and as you're considering 251 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:31,130 whether or not to pay a fee, these discounts can be 252 00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:34,190 significant and can make quite a difference to the fee that you 253 00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:40,730 would ultimately pay to a journal as where the some of 254 00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:45,680 these memberships and discounts come as part of negotiated deals 255 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,620 with the publisher. And those negotiated deals are often 256 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:53,510 negotiated with other university libraries in Ontario or across 257 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:58,850 Canada. And so all Canadian researchers, for example, have 258 00:24:00,050 --> 00:24:04,220 access to the deals from stage and some of the other large 259 00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:10,040 publishers. But there are also memberships and programs that we 260 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,420 specifically choose to support at Western Libraries. And I just 261 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:17,330 want to talk a bit about the criteria that we use to make 262 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:22,550 those decisions. So we look for programs that clearly support 263 00:24:22,550 --> 00:24:26,180 making research more openly available, where the subjects 264 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:29,120 are relevant to the research that's happening at Western 265 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,590 where the publisher adheres to best practices in scholarly 266 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:38,090 publishing. Where we can make some kind of determination that 267 00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:41,780 we're getting good value for money, so where we can see that 268 00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:45,680 the discount that might be available or the waiver that 269 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,500 will be given is is being taken up by a significant enough 270 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:55,700 number of researchers at Western that it's it's worth our putting 271 00:24:55,700 --> 00:25:02,630 that money in. What we will not do is Pay for a membership that 272 00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:07,880 provides discounts or waivers for APCs and hybrid journal. So 273 00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:11,180 we have those discounts as part of negotiated packages. So 274 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:13,970 they're definitely part of the picture for researchers at 275 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:17,630 Western that Western libraries won't get new memberships, where 276 00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:22,820 we're paying for an APC waiver program on top of our 277 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:26,090 subscriptions, access to those publishers. So again, we would 278 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,440 look for ways where we can kind of 279 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:35,850 combine those things as part of negotiated deal. We also pay 280 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,500 particular attention to venues where researchers at Western are 281 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:43,710 contributing as editors or where they're publishing as authors. 282 00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:50,700 We know that Humanities and Social Sciences areas, law, 283 00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:56,700 music, for example, too often rely less on grant funding to do 284 00:25:56,700 --> 00:26:01,350 their research. And so we do intentionally look for programs 285 00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:04,740 that will provide more support for fees to researchers in those 286 00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:09,210 areas, because they often don't have grants to draw on. And, 287 00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:12,960 like with ubiquity press, which is really open about giving us 288 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,120 the breakdown of where their fees go to we look for 289 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,180 initiatives that have transparent business models and 290 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:23,520 are open about what the funds are going to any questions about 291 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,370 the fees, the amount of fees, where they come from, and that 292 00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:30,270 kind of thing, before I go on to talk about options for not 293 00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:31,050 paying the fees? 294 00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:39,640 And I'll open up the chat, or feel free to unmute yourself and 295 00:26:39,640 --> 00:27:08,740 ask a question. Okay. So I'm going to move on to talk about 296 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:12,190 what if you don't want to pay these fees, and what your 297 00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:20,530 options are. As I've kind of alluded to here, I don't like 298 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:24,280 the double dipping of the hybrid model. Yes, that makes the work 299 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,190 more openly available, but we're already paying a lot of money to 300 00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:30,160 those publishers, and especially when they're for profit 301 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,490 publishers, and they're already making really large profit 302 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,660 margins. It doesn't feel great to see more money going there. 303 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,350 I'm not at all opposed to money going to support open access 304 00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:44,650 publishing. And I tirely realized that publishing does 305 00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:47,080 have costs associated with it. And those costs have to come 306 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,060 from somewhere. But we'd rather see those costs and our money 307 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:54,760 going to support that infrastructure and the overall 308 00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:58,840 work of an open access community to make things more open than to 309 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,640 for profit publishers. So I'm going to go back to this chart 310 00:28:03,790 --> 00:28:06,490 here, this diagram, and there's two things that we're going to 311 00:28:06,490 --> 00:28:10,750 talk about in terms of how you can publish without fees. So the 312 00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:13,990 first one is over on the left hand side of the chart, and it's 313 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:17,680 the option of publishing in a fully open access journal that 314 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,480 does not charge fees. Question is, how do you find those 315 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,390 journals and what they are, best place to go is the directory of 316 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:34,960 open access journals doj.org. And I believe Courtney has put 317 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,610 the link into the chat for that page, as well. And what is 318 00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:43,870 really helpful about the DOAJ is that you can search there, 319 00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:48,310 specifically on journals that do not have publication fee. So 320 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:52,000 what I did here was I searched for anthropology, see what 321 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,800 journals there were there were over 1100 journals related to 322 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,080 anthropology. And then I chose that to filter and see only 323 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,830 those journals that don't have publication fees. There's an 324 00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:09,520 option over on the top left hand side there. And you can see in 325 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,850 the top left that 895 journals do not have publication fees. So 326 00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:20,920 close to 80% of the journals related to anthropology don't 327 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,800 have fees. Now, you would probably if you were looking for 328 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,740 a journal and anthropology to publish in, you'd want to do 329 00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:28,960 some more filtering and some more fine searching because 330 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,330 you're not going to choose between out of 900 journals. But 331 00:29:34,330 --> 00:29:36,940 this just gives you an indication of the way that you 332 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:42,280 can use DOAJ to see journals that don't have fees and to 333 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:48,550 identify journals in a particular area. One thing I 334 00:29:48,550 --> 00:29:53,380 want to point out, that can make this difficult and why I think 335 00:29:53,410 --> 00:29:58,390 open access is increasingly being associated with fees is 336 00:29:58,390 --> 00:30:03,220 that while 80% sense of these journals don't have fees, the 337 00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:08,080 ratio is almost flipped. If we look at journals from what we 338 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,220 call the Big Five commercial publishers, Elsevier, Springer, 339 00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:16,570 Wiley, Taylor and Francis sage, if I were to look at those 340 00:30:16,570 --> 00:30:22,330 publishers only, it's more like 10 to 20% of their journals 341 00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:27,970 don't charge fees. And so the major publishers, those major 342 00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:33,100 publishers are, can often be the ones that whose journals are 343 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,970 perhaps a little more longer established have that better 344 00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:42,100 known reputation. And so there's an association with fees and 345 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:48,580 open access because of how those major publishers are using open 346 00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:53,440 access and are using fees to produce open access. But if you 347 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,130 can look beyond those major publishers at other open access 348 00:30:57,130 --> 00:31:06,820 journals, then 70 to 80% of them will not have these. Okay. Next 349 00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:10,360 way to publish openly or make your work openly available 350 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,110 without charging fees, is over on the right hand side of our 351 00:31:14,110 --> 00:31:18,070 diagram. And that's related to the repository option, or the 352 00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:22,780 green open access option. Submit to talk a little bit more about 353 00:31:22,780 --> 00:31:24,910 what this involves. 354 00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:30,510 repositories can be things like scholarship at Western that's 355 00:31:30,510 --> 00:31:34,260 highlighted there. That's our institutional repository here at 356 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:38,220 Western. Any of you who are grad students, you'll see your theses 357 00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:45,030 or dissertations go in there. And we host copies of published 358 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:49,590 works all the time. And those copies are then available to 359 00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:53,550 people anywhere around the world to access and read. I'm going to 360 00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:58,680 talk more about that copy word in a couple slides. Other 361 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,730 repositories that you may have heard of are PubMed Central cog 362 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:06,450 prints, which is for psychology and neuroscience, cognitive 363 00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:10,950 science kind of thing. arXiv.org in the bottom right, that's one 364 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:15,450 that's been around the longest, well known preprint server for 365 00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:20,460 high energy physics, mathematics, astronomy, computer 366 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:23,880 science has really grown quite a bit. But it started with the 367 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,160 physicists, humanities commons, or social archives, or sociology 368 00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:34,740 figshare, which is for all kinds of research outputs. So these 369 00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:39,570 are the kinds of repositories that we mean. You may also be 370 00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:43,230 wondering about repositories like academia.edu, or 371 00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:46,860 researchgate. And I want to make a distinction between those and 372 00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:49,320 the repositories that I talked about on the previous slide. 373 00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:54,240 Because academia.edu and researchgate, are actually for 374 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,670 profit companies. And so we think of them as not entirely 375 00:32:59,670 --> 00:33:03,450 open, because they're only open to people who have a membership, 376 00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:09,900 who have signed up to be part of those networks. And there are 377 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:15,090 things that they don't do like long term preservation of the 378 00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:19,290 content that's posted there. And things that they do, like send 379 00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:23,640 you a lot of emails, and probably make use of your data 380 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,360 behind the scenes to mine that and find ways of making money 381 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,770 off of that. And the open access repositories like scholarship at 382 00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:35,970 Western like archives, like PubMed Central, they pay 383 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:39,210 attention to long term preservation, and they aren't 384 00:33:39,270 --> 00:33:44,160 looking to scrape and mine your data for profit. So that's an 385 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,470 important distinction between those types of repositories. I 386 00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:52,920 talked about copies on the earlier slide. And so I want to 387 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,630 talk more about copies here. When it comes to making articles 388 00:33:57,660 --> 00:34:02,670 openly available in repositories. Publishers usually 389 00:34:02,670 --> 00:34:06,660 put some conditions around the version of the article, the type 390 00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:11,160 of copy that you can share. So let's talk about the different 391 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,550 versions that exist. So you write your paper, you have a 392 00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:16,770 whole bunch of drafts of your paper, and then you have a 393 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:21,240 version of your paper that you submit to the journal. That is 394 00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:24,750 what's typically called the preprint. It's what you submit 395 00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:28,020 to the journal for consideration. It's before it 396 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:32,130 goes out for peer review. That's the preprint version, sometimes 397 00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:37,050 called the submitted version. After the paper goes through 398 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:39,810 peer review, and you make some revisions based on the peer 399 00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:44,370 review feedback, you have the final manuscript, the accepted 400 00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:49,110 version, or the post print. So those might be all terms that 401 00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:52,290 would be used, accepted version is a pretty common term. The 402 00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:56,850 post print is another one and those refer to the paper after 403 00:34:56,850 --> 00:35:03,900 it has been peer reviewed and revised. Then there's another 404 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:07,080 version, which is the published version. Usually the publisher 405 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,810 applies some formatting and layout, they use their own 406 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:14,670 fonts. They make things look like a publication from their 407 00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:20,160 journal. And that's the published version. Usually, when 408 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,730 we're talking about sharing in a repository, it's the post prints 409 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,540 are the accepted version that is able to be shared. Sometimes 410 00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:32,100 it's the preprint. More rarely, it's the published publishers 411 00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:36,480 PDF. If you publish in an open access journal, you can also put 412 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,780 the published version in a repository. We do that all the 413 00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:42,270 time. And we're happy to do that, because it does increase 414 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:46,170 the fine stability of the content. But often when people 415 00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:49,680 are taking the green open access, or the individual 416 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,030 article, without paying a fee, route to open access for sharing 417 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,670 the accepted version, or the post prep. 418 00:35:58,470 --> 00:36:02,010 And there's a site called Sherpa Romeo, where you can go to find 419 00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:06,480 out which version a particular journal will let you share. So 420 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,540 Courtney will put the link to Sherpa Romeo in the site as 421 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:13,260 well. And here, I just looked for a journal that's called 422 00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:16,800 popular music, published by Cambridge. So you get a little 423 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,910 bit of information initially about the journal. And then they 424 00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:24,900 give you a summary of the publishers policy, and the 425 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,860 different routes or pathways to open access. And they tell you 426 00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:32,250 here for the published version, accepted version and submitted 427 00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:35,640 version. So those are the three terms that they're using. And 428 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,960 what are the options for making the work open access. Sherpa 429 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,960 Romeo is a site that comes out of the UK, so they have a pound 430 00:36:43,350 --> 00:36:46,980 symbol instead of $1 sign. But that pound symbol means that if 431 00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:49,650 you want to make the published version open access, there's a 432 00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:54,420 sea that you have to pay. If you want to make the accepted 433 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:59,310 version open access, there's no fee. There's also no time 434 00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:03,150 restriction that hourglass symbol is used to refer to 435 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,930 whether there's an embargo or a time period after which you're 436 00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:10,620 allowed to make that version open access. And then are there 437 00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:14,520 restrictions or requirements that the author the publisher 438 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,550 puts on how that version can be shared. And then they also link 439 00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:25,080 out to journal pages or publisher pages with information 440 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:31,230 about their policies. And if you were to share a copy in 441 00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:34,680 scholarship at Western, this is what it would typically look 442 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,520 like. So there's the title, the author's, there's information 443 00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:42,750 about the publication and the URL, there's an abstract. Over 444 00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:46,200 on the top right hand side, there's a download button. And 445 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,980 then at the bottom of the record, there is a citation. So 446 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:54,240 we give a full citation to the published version in the journal 447 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,920 with a link out to the version of record with the published 448 00:37:58,950 --> 00:38:01,740 version. And if you were to click the Download button from 449 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:05,550 this page, what you would see is the author's accepted version, 450 00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:10,860 not the publishers finished version. I'm going to switch 451 00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:14,550 over and do a little demonstration to show you what 452 00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:17,010 it looks like to kind of get this information from Sherpa 453 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:20,940 Romeo and what it looks like to find information from individual 454 00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:24,900 publisher and journal pages. But I'm going to pause first and see 455 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,460 if there are any questions related to this section. Thanks, 456 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,740 Kristin, there's a question asking with this publisher 457 00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:37,460 policy be standard information provided by most publishers. 458 00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:42,440 Yes, now it has become standard information provided by almost 459 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:48,050 all publishers. Sometimes for small open access journals that 460 00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:53,210 are run kind of as a one off and not volunteer basis run by 461 00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:57,560 academics. Sometimes they won't put information about what 462 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,370 versions you can put in a repository because they think 463 00:39:01,550 --> 00:39:03,920 they don't need to they're a fully open access journal, you 464 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,850 can do anything you want with it as an author. So I find that 465 00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:13,010 sometimes they aren't sharing policies about versions that you 466 00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:17,210 can share, but almost all of the major publishers are, and I'll 467 00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:22,460 show you some examples. In just a second. Let's see if there's 468 00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:25,610 other questions before I switch over to that. 469 00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:32,450 There was a question about predatory journals, which I 470 00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:35,750 threw an answer in our predatory journals more likely to be open 471 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:41,000 access. So if there's anything you want to add to the response? 472 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:44,060 Yeah, that's a good question. And I'm going to come back to 473 00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:49,100 predatory journals. But not to answer that question 474 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:54,080 specifically. So I'll speak to it here. There is an association 475 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:57,830 in many people's minds with open access and predatory and I think 476 00:39:57,830 --> 00:40:02,150 that that's because this is of predatory or exploitative 477 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:08,360 journals, or journals that are taken advantage of authors arose 478 00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:17,330 as open access and articles, the funding models emerged. The 479 00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:22,220 predatory journals are basically journals that are running 480 00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:26,210 through a process really quickly. And they're trying to 481 00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:30,530 make money off of publishing. So the predatory thing wouldn't be 482 00:40:30,590 --> 00:40:33,470 wouldn't be a thing if there wasn't a way for those journals 483 00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:35,810 to get money. And if they can't get it from subscriptions, 484 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,720 they'll get it from authors. So there's an association there. 485 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,820 But increasingly, studies are finding that it's also 486 00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:47,840 subscription access journals that can have really shoddy 487 00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:52,340 publishing practices and can take advantage of authors and 488 00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:56,570 still have that fee thing built in as another way of getting 489 00:40:56,570 --> 00:41:01,130 money from authors dishonestly. So increasingly, it's not really 490 00:41:01,130 --> 00:41:04,970 connected to open access, but there is an association in many 491 00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:05,660 people's minds. 492 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:17,300 Alright, I'm going to flip over to the browser. I have a few 493 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:19,970 ideas of journals that I can look up. But is there a journal 494 00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:25,580 that anybody is particularly interested in? and looking for 495 00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:29,420 an open access policy about? And I'll be happy to use that as an 496 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:34,430 example. Maybe one that you're considering publishing in or one 497 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:39,980 that you just published in? age and aging and aging? Yeah. All 498 00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:44,720 right. Feel free to put in a couple others, we can probably 499 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:45,230 do. 500 00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:54,440 Two examples. All right. Great. Okay. Start with agent agent. 501 00:42:02,030 --> 00:42:05,300 Oh, we're not getting it into peperomia. All right. Let's see. 502 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:20,750 Oxford academic. All right. There's our journal. Is it that 503 00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:24,560 Oxford academic line because it also looks like there was one a 504 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,740 different publishers that came up lower in the list. 505 00:42:28,580 --> 00:42:31,760 I think you may have just left the E out of aging. I think if 506 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,940 you try that maybe in Sherpa Romeo might come up. Just 507 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:48,350 thank you. UK spelling. And my brain defaulted to Yes, there we 508 00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:55,940 go. All right. Wow. Not where I wanted to go. Alright, here we 509 00:42:55,940 --> 00:43:03,260 are. publisher policy. So Sherpa Romeo is telling us there's two 510 00:43:03,260 --> 00:43:06,320 different ways to make the published version open access, 511 00:43:06,350 --> 00:43:12,620 they both have a fee. And there may be different fees and 512 00:43:12,620 --> 00:43:16,160 different conditions depending on whether it's a non commercial 513 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,750 repository, or a different kind of repository that's 514 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:27,800 interesting. The accepted version can be posted on the 515 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,630 author's homepage immediately can be posted in a non 516 00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:34,580 commercial. So in our scholarship at Western 517 00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:40,700 repository, after 12 months, or in PubMed Central, after 12 518 00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:44,900 months. Really interesting how they will put so many different 519 00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:48,920 conditions on this. And they'll put it in PubMed Central, if you 520 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,570 have funding from NIH. 521 00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:56,510 The submitted version, the preprint, you can put looks like 522 00:43:56,510 --> 00:44:04,250 wherever you want, whenever you want. Same information should be 523 00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:06,890 available from the journal site. So there's two ways to look at 524 00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:08,690 this. And if you're on the journal site. 525 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,770 Anyway, looking for information about the author guidelines or 526 00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:19,280 things, you should be able to find the information about open 527 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,760 access publishing without going over to the sharper wheel page. 528 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,380 I see the question about what is the author's homepage mean? Is 529 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:30,530 it any author's website or specifically your faculty page? 530 00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:35,120 I would take that to mean any website that it's worth double 531 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,720 checking what the publisher says on their website about where you 532 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,840 can host because they will sometimes get really specific 533 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,180 and make really seemingly nonsensical distinctions between 534 00:44:47,180 --> 00:45:00,950 different types of sites. Okay, so if I'm an agent aging Self 535 00:45:00,950 --> 00:45:04,040 archiving policies. So what I'm looking for on the journal, 536 00:45:04,460 --> 00:45:07,610 publisher web pages are either something that looks like it's 537 00:45:07,610 --> 00:45:12,200 going to talk about open access, or self archiving, or sometimes 538 00:45:13,070 --> 00:45:17,270 reuse permissions. But publishers, we use different 539 00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:20,150 terminology for all of these things. So let's try self 540 00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:23,780 archiving policy and see if that's where the information is. 541 00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:32,240 The ways in which authors may self archive on their own web 542 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:40,730 pages on institutional web pages and other repositories. So what 543 00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:43,790 you can do with the abstract, what you can do with your 544 00:45:43,820 --> 00:45:46,640 author's original version, so that's their term for the 545 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,070 submitted version, where the preprint version accepted 546 00:45:52,070 --> 00:45:55,700 manuscripts, what you can do embargo periods version of 547 00:45:55,700 --> 00:46:00,830 records. And if you've agreed to pay a fee, so reminder, again, 548 00:46:00,830 --> 00:46:06,080 that you can look for the on the library publishing open access 549 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:13,190 support page, to see if we have a discount with Oxford, we don't 550 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:15,590 have a discount with Oxford publisher. So you would have to 551 00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:20,570 pay whatever the full fee is there. Alright, let's take 552 00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:23,870 another one. Let's try something a little bit. 553 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,780 All right, I'm gonna try a Journal of International 554 00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:45,830 migrations. I want to say to feel free to contact me and I'll 555 00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:50,000 give you the general library email contacts found at the end 556 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,730 of the presentation as well, these searches and finding 557 00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:59,000 information on publish your site is really not straightforward. 558 00:46:59,870 --> 00:47:03,260 The terminology can vary greatly from one publisher to the next. 559 00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:08,360 And if you ever feel like you're not sure what you're looking at, 560 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:13,340 or where to look, just get in touch with us. We're always 561 00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:16,970 happy to help. All right, the Journal of international 562 00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:20,960 migration and integration. I'm not sure if that's exactly the 563 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,690 title that was suggested. But it looks like the best fit 564 00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:29,450 published by Springer. We don't have a publishing deal with 565 00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:30,740 Springer yet, either. 566 00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:39,200 So there's no discounts, the fees that are available, and 567 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,870 again, there's a fee to make the published version openly 568 00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:47,000 available. Similar to the last example, the accepted version 569 00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:51,200 can go on the author's homepage with no time limit, but in an 570 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:54,080 institutional repository like scholarship at Western with the 571 00:47:54,080 --> 00:48:01,340 12 months embargo. Let's see if one of these has been a little 572 00:48:01,340 --> 00:48:05,690 bit different setup, it's tried remote sensing of environment. 573 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,220 And Elsevier journal. So that is one where we just got a new 574 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:22,860 discount, that's 20% discount on APCs for researchers at Western 575 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,060 hat just came in in the last ew weeks. So there is a 576 00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:30,840 iscount available for that ersion. Because there's a 577 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,870 iscount available, it means here's going to be a fee in 578 00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:39,090 rder to make the published ersion openly available. Oh, 579 00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:44,070 here's a few different time estrictions here a 24 months, 580 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,300 o a two year embargo with the epository. I also want to 581 00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,630 ention that that embargo period s something that we can apply 582 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,620 s we're putting things into the epository, so you can upload 583 00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:58,620 omething to scholarship at estern as soon as it's 584 00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:02,970 ccepted. And we can then kind f put a clock or a timer so 585 00:49:02,970 --> 00:49:07,050 hat it becomes open. When that mbargo period has passed, you 586 00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:11,880 on't have to remember in 12 onths or two years to look for 587 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,240 t. And if we were to look, 588 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,650 Kristin, yeah, I was just gonna make a comment about the two 589 00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:22,500 different embargo periods from that page. And I think it's 590 00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:25,530 interesting to point out that there was an option for a 24 591 00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:29,580 month embargo and an option for a 12 month embargo, just bearing 592 00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:34,680 in mind that the agency mandate is within 12 months. So I'm 593 00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:42,000 curious to know if the fee for the 24 months is is different 594 00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:43,950 from the 12 months. We don't have to look at that now. But 595 00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:48,360 I'm just sometimes that 24 month embargo period conflicts with 596 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,110 the tri-agency mandate and can then put the author in a 597 00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:56,970 position to probably have to pay a fee when there are options not 598 00:49:56,970 --> 00:49:58,590 to so I just wanted to mention that. 599 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,800 Yeah, that's Really good. And what I would suggest that you 600 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,640 can see in this 12 months version that they are 601 00:50:05,850 --> 00:50:08,940 identifying several funders where if you're funded by that 602 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:14,130 group, it can be a 12 month embargo. The Canadian agencies 603 00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:18,120 aren't listed here. But I would strongly encourage you, if 604 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,210 that's your case, to push back with the publisher and say, but 605 00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:25,050 I'm funded by insert, and they require a 12 month embargo. 606 00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:27,780 Therefore, I need this 12 month option, just like you're 607 00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:30,690 providing to people who are funded by the Wellcome Trust, 608 00:50:31,530 --> 00:50:34,890 they should be able to do that for you, because they're doing 609 00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:36,510 it for so many other funders as well. 610 00:50:45,090 --> 00:50:49,350 Again, publishers have their own kind of orientations for 611 00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:52,290 journals, and different ways that they make information 612 00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:56,130 available. So it's here, we see they're putting the article 613 00:50:56,130 --> 00:51:00,060 processing charge kind of right up front, which is kind of nice, 614 00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:04,680 although, my goodness, 30 $800, even with a 20% discount, that's 615 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,300 a lot of money to pay to publish an article. There's a little 616 00:51:09,330 --> 00:51:14,520 more information there. And then there is support for open access 617 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,520 link over here is also really easy to find. And that should 618 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:24,660 gives you more information about how you can publish openly in 619 00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:30,780 this journal, what fees are available, how they will help 620 00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:35,070 you meet funding body requirements. You can see some 621 00:51:35,070 --> 00:51:39,240 publishers are using the term gold open access. So that's why 622 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,450 I wanted to make sure that you have kind of an understanding of 623 00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:45,900 what these terms mean. Some publisher pages will also put 624 00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,470 green open access on the page or those so green open access eg 625 00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:50,460 self archiving. 626 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:01,859 Let's see we had Journal of Experimental biology. So let's 627 00:52:01,859 --> 00:52:16,019 look at one more. I find it really fascinating to see how 628 00:52:16,019 --> 00:52:18,329 things are different among the different publishers and 629 00:52:18,329 --> 00:52:21,029 journals. So again, just to reiterate, if you get in touch 630 00:52:21,029 --> 00:52:26,909 with us, with me directly or with the RSC lib at uwo ema 631 00:52:26,909 --> 00:52:29,609 l that Courtney put in the chat we're always happy to ge 632 00:52:29,609 --> 00:52:32,999 these questions and puzzle t is out with you in terms of w 633 00:52:32,999 --> 00:52:42,029 at you can make available. So th s is a different publisher, a 634 00:52:42,029 --> 00:52:46,739 ociety publisher, the com any of biologists so this done 635 00:52:46,739 --> 00:52:50,909 we're seeing kind of many di ferent options available for mak 636 00:52:50,909 --> 00:52:56,489 ng the published version openly accessible. And then di 637 00:52:56,489 --> 00:53:05,159 ferent offer options for the a cepted version. So let's have 638 00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:10,229 a link out to their policy. That may be in plain text, I find so 639 00:53:10,259 --> 00:53:13,019 etimes easier to read than the Sherpa Romeo s 640 00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:22,260 So this is a pretty good page, they're being pretty open. If 641 00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:27,210 your funder mandates any aspect, they want you to select the gold 642 00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:31,170 open access option, which will make it immediately openly 643 00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:39,060 available for a fee of 2700 pounds. Nice that they're making 644 00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:43,680 the fee available, we wouldn't have a discount available for 645 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,860 you with this. See, though, it's not one part of one of the 646 00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:53,190 agreements that we have. It may be something that we might get 647 00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:57,960 to they can see here there. Moving to different types of 648 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,810 agreements with academic institutions, so it's possible 649 00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:03,810 that something will change for Western and other Canadian 650 00:54:03,810 --> 00:54:12,000 researchers with that respect. And then, if you don't pay as a 651 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,740 gold open access model, then you have their green open access 652 00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:20,910 model available to you. And so they're explaining the embargo 653 00:54:20,910 --> 00:54:23,910 period of what can what can happen in the first six months, 654 00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:31,980 etc. So thanks for those examples. That was really 655 00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:36,360 interesting for me to see and I hope, informative for you also 656 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,600 to see just how different all of these publisher pages are and 657 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,730 what all of the kind of variations and nuances are with 658 00:54:44,730 --> 00:54:49,170 respect to publishing and open access fees. I'm going to move 659 00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:52,470 on and talk just a little bit more about predatory journals. 660 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:55,530 And then we're going to wrap up there are there any questions 661 00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:02,610 about these journal searches and the fees that we found here? See 662 00:55:02,610 --> 00:55:05,610 a comment that it makes a lot more sense. And, uh, thank you. 663 00:55:05,610 --> 00:55:07,560 So I'm really glad that it makes more sense. 664 00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:14,100 That's, that's what we're hoping for. All right, I'm going to 665 00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:15,660 head back to the presentation. 666 00:55:16,770 --> 00:55:19,710 So just a couple notes about predatory journals. And I've put 667 00:55:19,710 --> 00:55:23,790 predatory in quotation marks. Really, we're talking about 668 00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:26,940 journals that are exploitative, that are taking advantage of 669 00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:30,600 authors in some sense. Often, these are titles that don't 670 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,500 provide the editorial and publishing services that are of 671 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,470 high quality or the quality that one would expect with some 672 00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:41,970 legitimate journals. So they may have little or no peer review or 673 00:55:41,970 --> 00:55:45,390 quality control, they may hide the fact that they have 674 00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:49,920 publishing fees. Or they often advertise really low fees as a 675 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,360 way of kind of enticing people to publish with them. And 676 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,410 academics may be tricked into publishing with them, or tricked 677 00:55:58,410 --> 00:56:04,080 into getting on their editorial boards. And I just heard an 678 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:09,270 example this week of someone who submitted to a quote unquote 679 00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:13,860 predatory journal, realized on what it was and pulled their 680 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,950 paper from publication, only to be told that they would have to 681 00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:21,990 pay a fee in order for the paper to not be published. So that 682 00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:25,590 researcher and librarian are trying to figure out how to 683 00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:29,430 prevent that them from needing to pay that fee. But there's 684 00:56:30,660 --> 00:56:34,560 tricky. Oh, and there's a comment in the chat that 685 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,320 scholars can be tricked because predatory journals can use the 686 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,590 same title or very similar titles to existing journals, 687 00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:46,020 which is a very good note of caution. Courtney's gonna put 688 00:56:46,020 --> 00:56:49,860 another link in the chat to think check, submit, which gives 689 00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:53,400 a lot of good points and considerations for you to look 690 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,850 through as you're trying to decipher whether a journal is a 691 00:56:56,850 --> 00:57:02,160 legitimate one or not. My number one advice would be don't 692 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:08,460 respond to unsolicited spam emails from publishers. If you 693 00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:11,370 are going to respond, or if you think that it might not be a 694 00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:13,890 spam, even if it was unsolicited, it might be 695 00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:17,670 legitimate. do a lot of research into the publication before you 696 00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:22,860 hit reply on the message. look to see if the publisher or the 697 00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:26,370 journal is a member of the committee on publication ethics. 698 00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:30,090 If they are, then they have to maintain a high publication 699 00:57:30,090 --> 00:57:34,920 ethical standard. Similarly, if they're the in the DOAJ, th 700 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,200 directory of open acces journals that we talked abou 701 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,140 earlier, they have to meet high standard of ethics in thei 702 00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:43,920 publishing practices in order t be included in the DOAJ. 703 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,480 o they're unlikely to e predatory. And the DOAJ w 704 00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:52,320 ll periodically review the journ ls that it has included, and 705 00:57:52,320 --> 00:58:01,560 it will reject and stop includ ng journals that no longer m 706 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:06,900 et their standard. And then jus a few notes for you to keep 707 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,650 in mind that the quality o a journal is not determined by 708 00:58:10,650 --> 00:58:15,270 he impact factor, or how large he journal promotes its imp 709 00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:19,080 ct factors to be. Quality is ot determined by geographi 710 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,880 al location. Although schola ly publishing can be very prejud 711 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,080 ce towards publications from he United States or from Euro 712 00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:30,960 e. That does not mean t at publications from other parts 713 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:36,960 of the world are of lower quali y. Whether or not a jour 714 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,250 al charges, fees to publish as nothing to do with its qual 715 00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:45,090 ty it has to do with busin ss model. And the reputation 716 00:58:45,090 --> 00:58:48,690 of other journals by that s me publisher doesn't relate to 717 00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:52,500 he reputation of that particu ar journal. I see someone ha 718 00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:56,310 a raised hand, feel free to unm te yourself, or type in the ch 719 00:58:57,810 --> 00:58:59,130 Hi, thank you so very much. My 720 00:58:59,130 --> 00:59:05,250 name is Aleksandra. The quality of journalism not determined by 721 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,100 Impact Factor. No, why inform our bosses about that? 722 00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:17,280 I'm serious. It seems that my boss wants me only to publish in 723 00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:19,410 journals have a high impact factor. 724 00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:24,240 So these are not the quality determinants? What are that's my 725 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,070 question. Yeah. Okay. 726 00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:29,910 That is a really, really good question. We have another 727 00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:34,770 workshop on April 7. That is all about research impact. And we're 728 00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:38,130 going to get into this a lot more there, but I'll try to give 729 00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:43,830 you a short version. Journal quality is really about the 730 00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:45,990 quality of the articles published in that journal. 731 00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:53,400 Individual articles also need to be assessed for their quality on 732 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:59,460 their own merits. The trick here is that assessing each article 733 00:59:59,460 --> 01:00:04,290 or each dissemination, each publication on its own is really 734 01:00:04,290 --> 01:00:08,280 time consuming. It's really difficult. It requires expertise 735 01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:11,730 in that field. You know, that's what the peer reviewers are 736 01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:14,670 doing. And that's what the editor is doing. Their problems 737 01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:17,160 of those systems are peer reviewers don't always catch 738 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,090 things, and they have their own biases. But the bottom line is 739 01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:26,130 that quality is about the work that was produced itself. The 740 01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:31,590 Impact Factor is a number that refers to is the calculation of 741 01:00:31,590 --> 01:00:36,960 how many citations in a given year of those articles of the 742 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,930 article is published in the journal, how many times it's 743 01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:44,520 cited articles in that journal in the previous two years. So 744 01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:49,140 it's about citations within a journal, and it's about a 745 01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:53,610 particularly defined time period, it was created in order 746 01:00:53,610 --> 01:00:56,700 to help librarians make decisions about what journals to 747 01:00:56,730 --> 01:01:02,820 add into their collection, it has become a proxy for quality, 748 01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:06,750 because it's a number because it's easy to use, it's easy to 749 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:14,310 calculate. And so yeah, it's become a shorthand for quality. 750 01:01:15,450 --> 01:01:19,830 I wish that people would stop using it that way. This is gonna 751 01:01:19,830 --> 01:01:22,620 it's been used this way for so long, it's going to take a long 752 01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:27,120 time, I think, to get people to think about quality in in other 753 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:32,910 ways. So yes, your supervisor, and you're your boss, your dean 754 01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:36,600 might tell you, you have to publish in journals with, you 755 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,320 know, an impact factor of at least this, or you have to 756 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,290 publish only in these journals, these are the top quality 757 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,570 journals. And it's really difficult, because you're kind 758 01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:51,390 of caught in the middle of like, you need to do what your boss 759 01:01:51,690 --> 01:01:54,900 says, You need to do these things in order to like 760 01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:57,840 participate in the academic system to get a job to get 761 01:01:57,870 --> 01:02:02,160 tenure and promotion. But at the end of the day, quality comes 762 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:07,950 down to the work that you produce. I guess I would add 763 01:02:07,980 --> 01:02:11,970 journal quality also depends on things like how rigorous the 764 01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:15,570 editors are the quality of the peer reviewers that they're able 765 01:02:15,570 --> 01:02:19,560 to find the quality of the copy editing and what they can add to 766 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,700 your work as it goes through the publication process. And those 767 01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:27,030 also are things that have nothing to do with Impact Factor 768 01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:32,010 number, nothing to do with how many citations that are. And any 769 01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:45,150 other questions or points about that. All right, we are going to 770 01:02:45,150 --> 01:02:48,870 have a few minutes more at the end for questions. So more of 771 01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:52,680 this can come up then too. And I'm going to go on with the 772 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,970 summary. There are always exceptions to the rules. But 773 01:02:56,970 --> 01:03:00,780 this is my advice to you my general advice about when you 774 01:03:00,780 --> 01:03:05,460 should pay a publishing fee. first scenario is if you are set 775 01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:11,520 on publishing in a particular journal, in a particular open 776 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,000 access journal, and that's their model. That's their funding 777 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,230 model. They charge open access fees, you can't get a waiver and 778 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,860 you feel like that is really the best journal or the only option 779 01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:28,470 for you to publish. And second time that I would say yeah, pay 780 01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:34,500 the fee is if you want to keep copyright of your work. For 781 01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:38,010 example, if you want to be able to reuse a significant portion 782 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:43,110 of that work in a book. And if the only way that the publisher 783 01:03:43,110 --> 01:03:46,260 will let you keep copyright control of your work is to pay 784 01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:51,450 the fee and make it open access. So those are my two conditions 785 01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:54,990 when I think Yeah, I'll probably pay the fee is reasonable. 786 01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,790 There's exceptions, always exceptions, but this is kind of 787 01:03:59,790 --> 01:04:05,610 my my rule of thumb for you. And then here are the two ways that 788 01:04:05,610 --> 01:04:09,990 you can publish openly without paying a fee. The first is the 789 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:13,200 open access journal route. So you find a journal that does not 790 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,010 rely on open access fees for its funding model. 791 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:23,100 Search DOAJ to find a journal Check our financial support pag 792 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:29,610 to find a publisher that has fe waivers or no 100% discounts 793 01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:33,720 Ask the publisher for a waiver grad students and researcher 794 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,440 who don't have grant fund available to them have bee 795 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,410 successful in getting waiver from publishers. So that' 796 01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:44,130 definitely an option. And fee free to get in touch with u 797 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:46,830 anytime if you need help lookin for a journal that doesn' 798 01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:51,360 charge these. And then th second route and really thi 799 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,870 repository route is always good idea to do. It's always 800 01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:59,970 good idea to share a copy o your article in our repositor 801 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,100 Or an open repository somewhere And to know what copy wha 802 01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:08,580 version you can share, search o the journal site or SHERPA Ro 803 01:05:08,580 --> 01:05:11,580 eo, you can upload it yo rself to scholarship at We 804 01:05:11,580 --> 01:05:14,850 tern or to another subject re ository. And we're always ha 805 01:05:14,850 --> 01:05:18,150 py to get those questions he e. Courtney will be one of th 806 01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:23,520 people receiving your email, I uggest that you just go ahead an 807 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,780 send us your author accepted ma uscript. Because most of the ti 808 01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:30,330 e, that's the version that we ca upload. And if we need a di 809 01:05:30,330 --> 01:05:33,030 ferent version from you, we ll get back in touch with you by 810 01:05:33,030 --> 01:05:38,040 email. There's a comment th re from someone who says they wi 811 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,130 h they had known about asking fo waivers during their grad st 812 01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:45,330 dies. Never qualified based on the journals information, wh 813 01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:48,720 ch is true that journals wo 't tell you how much they'll gi 814 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,860 e out and waivers. And some ma not. But it never hurts to as 815 01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:57,390 . They won't accept your ar icle for submission just be 816 01:05:57,390 --> 01:06:02,490 ause you asked for a waiver. So that's a tip for all of you wh 817 01:06:02,490 --> 01:06:06,480 might be going out there to as especially if you're grad st 818 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:13,110 dents. That's the end of the fo mal presentation. I just wa 819 01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:15,720 ted to throw it out. Now I'm go ng to stop the recording. But I' 820 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:20,700 l open it up for some general q& if we if there are any